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Paradise
Moderator
posted 10-22-99 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paradise   Click Here to Email Paradise     Edit Message
And they said it couldn't be done!

http://bboard.mp3.com/mp3/ubb/Forum53/HTML/000023.html

Paradise

TX80
posted 10-22-99 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TX80     Edit Message
If this is true, then good.

Daisy
posted 10-22-99 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daisy   Click Here to Email Daisy     Edit Message
go mp3 and gunburner
i guess it can be done huh?
oh yeah can you make a famous writer by tomorrow?

happy friday
Daisy

PerryMarlin
posted 10-22-99 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PerryMarlin   Click Here to Email PerryMarlin     Edit Message
Way to go,,you go Gunburner...Good Luck.
mp3.com/PerryMarlin
Perry Marlin and His Cans Of Whoop Ass

MysticDred
posted 10-22-99 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticDred     Edit Message
Radiowus, I mean The General just shit in his pants. So much for your so called blackballing Mr. know-it-all.

David M McGrath
posted 10-22-99 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David M McGrath     Edit Message
Way to go Gunburner, if you got a deal you feel good about, and were able to negotiate your continued presence on mp3.com, then I'm very glad for you.

Make the best of it, and don't let them screw you.

mp3.com/puddlejumpers

[This message has been edited by David M McGrath (edited 10-22-99).]

The Count
posted 10-22-99 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message
Great, Paradise! I'm gonna read that article tonight!

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

TX80
posted 10-22-99 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TX80     Edit Message
You read my mind MysticDred!

PaulCummins
posted 10-22-99 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PaulCummins   Click Here to Email PaulCummins     Edit Message
Go GUNBURNER!
Hello? Columbia?...Hello?....
Paul
www.mp3.com/PaulCummins

Bigstarlet
posted 10-22-99 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bigstarlet   Click Here to Email Bigstarlet     Edit Message
See, good things CAN happen here!!!

Hmm...noone's crashed this thread yet, so

GOOOOO GUNBURNER!!!!

Phil Frazier
posted 10-22-99 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil Frazier   Click Here to Email Phil Frazier     Edit Message
Old news from last week. You are not in the loop P. I hear they might be a TAX write off.

"Did you hear the bad news? Gunburner got signed to Columbia Records. There is no
justice. I am so sick of these bands that sound like everyone else getting the
deals." (Private email I received from a band from Forida)

Oh I know everyone will say they are just jealous. It's sour grapes.

We shall see, won't we. Probably Feb./Mar. 2000

Van B
posted 10-22-99 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Van B   Click Here to Email Van B     Edit Message
i thought paisleyface was the fortune teller

pmarinovich
posted 10-22-99 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pmarinovich   Click Here to Email pmarinovich     Edit Message

The Count
posted 10-22-99 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message
You knpw, Phil. I've really tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but when you jump in a nice thread like this and say things like that, you really do sound like an asshole.

And half of the time, when I hear a band complaining about the other bands who are making it because they sound like everyone else, I end up finding out that they themselves actually sound like everyone else.

I took a quick listen to Gun Burner before I left work after seeing this thread, haven't had a chance to read the story yet, but I will. They aren't groundbreakingly original, and they aren't particularly my kind of thing, but they don't sound like everything else. To just come out and say they aren't going to make it is just ignorant, and very unprofessional. Because you don't know. The record company doesn't even know.

I say good for them. It's nice to see someone achieve something and I personally let that success inspire me to try to achieve it myself rather then sit here and bitch about the fact that they're signed and I'm not.

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

Paradise
Moderator
posted 10-22-99 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paradise   Click Here to Email Paradise     Edit Message
Phil Said,
quote:
Old news from last week. You are not in the loop P.

Wrong again Phil,
We knew about this from the start. There was even a bidding war between a few companies (No one bids for tax write offs Phil). And to thier credit, they even kept thier digital rights!

This is what Gunburner wanted! And I am happy for them. May you all get what you want.

The Count
posted 10-22-99 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message

I want a red fire engine!

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

[This message has been edited by The Count (edited 10-22-99).]

NikiVee
posted 10-22-99 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NikiVee   Click Here to Email NikiVee     Edit Message
Congrats to Gunburner!!!!

Peace
NikiVee

Zeeza
posted 10-22-99 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zeeza   Click Here to Email Zeeza     Edit Message
yes..get over here..I may never get this chance again..gunburner and zeeza.

www.mp3.com/zeeza :listen to *Because I needed you* and *Come closer*


www.mp3.com/auracrow :listen to *Anorexia*



Gothfather
posted 10-22-99 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gothfather   Click Here to Email Gothfather     Edit Message

Hey Count! I got one for ya'...

BillFurner
posted 10-22-99 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillFurner   Click Here to Email BillFurner     Edit Message
I have a feeling that there will be more for sure.

I just read were Mickey Dean is going to open up for Brooks and Dunn. Wow, that really impressed me.

Hope it works out for him.

Bill Furner

Bill Furner
www.mp3.com/tile

Blindsmoke
posted 10-22-99 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blindsmoke   Click Here to Email Blindsmoke     Edit Message
Congrats Guys, very cool.

NuclearTide
posted 10-22-99 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NuclearTide   Click Here to Email NuclearTide     Edit Message
If gunburner got what they want, then i'm all for it also

www.nuclearwarrior.com

Where the Fan Club of the +3Billions Meets...

AND now that you mention it...The Final Word in All Music, thank you!

PlatosForms
posted 10-22-99 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlatosForms   Click Here to Email PlatosForms     Edit Message
Gone are the days when mp3.com discouraged this type of thing.

David Hooper
posted 10-22-99 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Hooper   Click Here to Email David Hooper     Edit Message
Mp3.com was not the only promotion these guys had going on. I would bet money that they had offline activities which got them their deal.

But...I hope they got a good contract and have much success. I'm definitely interested to know what they sound like as well as the terms of their deal.

dave @ kathode ray


www.indiebiz.com

PlatosForms
posted 10-22-99 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlatosForms   Click Here to Email PlatosForms     Edit Message
Well you can bet mp3.com will take all the credit. They'll be using Gunrunner as the cannon for their "new artist sign up" hype machine.

[This message has been edited by PlatosForms (edited 10-22-99).]

burakmad
posted 10-23-99 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for burakmad     Edit Message
This is great, I hope I'll be the next
www.mp3.com/burak

Phil Frazier
posted 10-23-99 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil Frazier   Click Here to Email Phil Frazier     Edit Message
P. That there was a bidding war does change the picture. I wish them the best of luck.

Count, Man when are you going to learn how to read? I did not say they were not gonna make it. I did not say they (were) a Tax write off. I said I heard that they were. I also said we shall see. I have an open mind . You have a closed one. Also, you are one annoying spammer. Over exposure is worse than under exposure. Get a clue. btw, who the hell care about your reviews? I sure don't.

[This message has been edited by Phil Frazier (edited 10-23-99).]

Paulie
posted 10-23-99 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paulie     Edit Message
Zeeza, you are so beautiful... will you marry me?

mp3.com/Paulblow

danielclaydowns
posted 10-23-99 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danielclaydowns     Edit Message
hehe ok

hope they do well.

not to rain on their parade but for example, i saw a show on tv tonight and neil sedaka was saying that he was big and making hit songs then the beatles came along and his stuff all got shelved, so that is why he got into song writing then, to try to get some money.
it sucks when that happens. I know what phil was trying to say, hope it doesnt happen to them, but ya know, it happens to most bands that get signed most of the time.

hooper knows all about this stuff i am sure.

metalskycraz
posted 10-23-99 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for metalskycraz   Click Here to Email metalskycraz     Edit Message
hell ya!


www.mp3.com/metalskycraz


We Go DA-NA-NA!


[This message has been edited by metalskycraz (edited 10-23-99).]

Chevdope
posted 10-23-99 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chevdope     Edit Message
Phil Frazier
Everything that comes out of your mouth is bile. If there were a handy dandy ignore button on this BB I can guarantee you most people would use it to filter your trash out. If you think that being negative about someone else's success is "playing hardball", you are completely wrong.

Count, working on that fire engine, although the one above looks pretty good.

Aaron Egnor
posted 10-23-99 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aaron Egnor   Click Here to Email Aaron Egnor     Edit Message
I live in the same town as Gunburner and although I don't much care for their style of music I can say this- they have developed one helluva local fan base that stretches into every prominent city in Florida. Of all the rock bands I've heard around Tampa the guys in Gunburner deserved this more than anyone else. I, for one, am very happy to see them get what they wanted- a good distribution chance and to keep their digital rights.

Congrats, Gunburner! Play the State Theatre so I can get out to see you again!


Aaron Egnor
Martyr Complex
www.mp3.com/martyrcomplex/

The Count
posted 10-23-99 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message
Phil, the problem is that you always have to throw negetivity into the conversation. By insinuating that Paradise isn't in the mix and by posting a negative e-mail from another band just comes across as negative.

Not quite sure why you decided to drag my reviews into this. Or thiunk that I am a spammer. I figure it might be a reaction to the imposter Counts that have been posting in my name the last few days. I figured you should be sharp enough to have noticed it wasn't me, but maybe not.

I'd also have to say that some of the 60 or so bands that I've reviewed so far care about my reviews. I actually woke up to two very nice reviews of my own music this morning.

I've got much more then a clue Phil.

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

RadioWizard
posted 10-23-99 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RadioWizard     Edit Message
congrats to the group

BEST OF LUCK, GUNBURNER!

but so far all we have is tanyacumtonys reputed word

theres nothing in any of the other telex news sources about it

just hope it isnt a shelving contract like so many others have been sucked in to

my public apology will be on this page when the first copy is available - and not until

Stan Luzon
RadioWizard

[This message has been edited by RadioWizard (edited 10-25-99).]

RadioWizard
posted 10-23-99 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RadioWizard     Edit Message
double post

BEST OF LUCK, GUNBURNER!

[This message has been edited by RadioWizard (edited 10-25-99).]

blizz
posted 10-23-99 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blizz   Click Here to Email blizz     Edit Message
Hey The Count!

Keep your good work up!
Don´t mind so much about the negative stuff.
Noboddy else does. (Exept for the negative ones, and they don´t really contribute for anything good to happen anyway)
I don´t know Phil so this was not meant to be for him!

Cheers!

D, Blizz

The Count
posted 10-23-99 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message
Cheers to you, blizz

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

TX80
posted 10-23-99 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TX80     Edit Message
Countess Last Word Diva

Man you are the most negative poster here by far.

All you do now is diss people on this board.

Are you looking for revenge by any chance?

For your recent public defeats?

Whenever I post now, I always expect some girly retort from you.

PLX180

Paradise
Moderator
posted 10-23-99 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paradise   Click Here to Email Paradise     Edit Message
This thread is about Gunburner, please take your personal problems to another thread.

Do not post on this thread if it's not about Gunburner and thier deal.

TX80
posted 10-23-99 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TX80     Edit Message
Well pardon me for living Mr Paradise.

I wasn't aware that threads are exclusive to one topic. To your chosen topic.

Good luck to Gunburner.

Screw you Paradise.

RoyGBiv
posted 10-23-99 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RoyGBiv     Edit Message
If you have problems with Gunburner and/or Paradise, or you have problems with people who do, or you just have problems, use The Disgruntled Musicians Association Post. We'll listen. We understand. Hell we may even do something about it. Maybe not. Anyway use it and to check out future stars like Gunburner visit www.mp3.com/roygbiv .

Andrew Hickey
posted 10-23-99 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Andrew Hickey     Edit Message
Congrats Gunburner...
Despite the fact that I've been critical of this site recently I'm overjoyed that it seems to be working for some of the bands here. Here's hoping they're the first of many.
www.amp3.net/stealthmucnhkin
www.musicbuilder.com/Stealth_Munchkin
BTW RadioWiz, nice to see you posting something friendly and helpful here...

[This message has been edited by Andrew Hickey (edited 10-23-99).]

popuman
posted 10-23-99 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popuman   Click Here to Email popuman     Edit Message
Well, they got signed. hurray and all that, BUT I really hope that they get a good promotion and distribution deal out of it. otherwise they might end up with the other countless (pardon the pun) artists who've been screwed by the majors.

Cheers!

notesleb
posted 10-23-99 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for notesleb   Click Here to Email notesleb     Edit Message
Congrats to Gunburner!

How much did MP3c pay Columbia

Oh, c'mon, I'm joking, or am I. Who knows.

Either way, I wish ALL musicians great success.

It's kinda funny how much emphasis MP3c puts on getting a deal, of all people they should know better. In MOST cases a record deal is a death warrant to an artist. Sure, some bands (artists) become millionaires and play the world but they are few and very far between.

Good luck Gunburner. My advice, stick to your guns (no pun intended) when they start telling you to audition for a slick producer, or they tell you the sessions aren't quite right and ask you to record a few more so they can compare. There are lots of other ideas ignorant record execs come up with as well that WILL turn your stomach, hopefully your experience will be much better than most.

I sincerely hope Gunburner's future is the exception to the rule. Rock on!

Stephen LeBlanc
JamFree
http://www.mp3.com/jamfree
http://www.mp3.com/slowmodem

Phil Frazier
posted 10-23-99 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil Frazier   Click Here to Email Phil Frazier     Edit Message
Excuse me! When posting a reality check on this board is viewed as an attack, it is evident that some people are real insecure. The over the top defense is obvious.

Guess, I am severly mistaken, I had the delusion that mp3.con was about Indie Artists, not sucking up to the Majors.

It is apparent to me & a few others that mp3.con has sold out to mediocrity. If you do not agree, that's fine but insulting me personaly does not change reality, which is in the eye of this beholder.

The more anyone assults me, the less credible it makes them & the more it promotes my views. It is a double edged sword.

BTW, I now am more totaly free to express my views because the Artists that I now represent do not object to my freedom of speech. I would sincerely appreciate that the Phil Frazier haters will refrain from attacking the Artists I represent. My views are strictly my own. I am perfectly open to scrutiny.

tanya
Moderator
posted 10-23-99 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tanya     Edit Message
We think Gunburner's recent milestone in their music career is a tremendous success story.

Our community is filled with artists who have a wide range of goals. Not everyone here wants a traditional record deal. Gunburner did. The point to focus on is that they made one giant step towards their goal and that's a reason to celebrate.

The fact that they've been able to keep some digital rights is tremendous news. It's unusual to say the least and very significant for our community. It's a small win for any artist who wants to bring harmony between their traditional label deal and their digital strategies.

It's not important to get into a debate whether or not their music is good. Columbia Records thinks so and that's what matters. You'll never get a 100% public consensus on any band.

I've gotten to know Gunburner and their management. I even went up to their mixdown session in LA (on my personal time) to hear what they're working on. They were exhausted from their round-the-clock schedule, but you could still feel the excitement and energy in the studio. The A&R guy was there for support (which was great to see), as well as their management team. There was a tremendous sense of teamwork between everyone. And (what a bonus)...they're all a bunch of very cool guys.

I've asked them to keep our community up to date on their progress because we can all benefit from their experiences.

Phil Frazier
posted 10-23-99 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil Frazier   Click Here to Email Phil Frazier     Edit Message
Tanya, Once again you have expressed your point of view in a straight forward reasonable fashion. In spite of a difference of our view points, I respect you. You consistently prove that it is possible to disagree with someone without going down the road of personal insult. I commend you.

danielclaydowns
posted 10-24-99 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danielclaydowns     Edit Message
ok i am a little confused by a contradiction of articles.

in the artist page it says gunburner gets major label deal bla bla bla

then in here it says gunburner lands major label deal and mentions columbia..

but the main article says its an "indie" label, "stainless steel records"

so whats the scoop, Tanya?
i many as well ask you because i think you wrote the article, it kinda had your flair to it somehow..

danielclaydowns
posted 10-24-99 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danielclaydowns     Edit Message
oh ok i checked my records then i checked the bb post again. she changed it, it used to say Stainless Steel records and indie now it says columbia records
hmm

RadioWizard
posted 10-24-99 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RadioWizard     Edit Message
anybody see a crack in this armor

stainless steel is an indie

however with enough cash any indie can buy distribution through any of the super eight

no reflection whatsoever on GUNBURNER - any good deal is a good deal - but it sure looks like mp3.liar is stretching the the truth again

GIVE THEM HELL GUNBURNER youve worked hard for this break so go for it - were all in support of you

phil

weve locked horns on more than one occasion - but youve been right in this thread from top to bottom

speak your piece and let the chips fall where ever they land - and if thats in mp3.coms sewerpit so be it

mp3.com can use the instruction

thanks - a slip from my days of working for the kennedys ... guns for the ira and rum for everybody else

theres a good band name RUMRUNNERS

[This message has been edited by RadioWizard (edited 10-24-99).]

The Count
posted 10-24-99 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message
Uhhh...I think it's Gunburner, Mr. Wizard. Not Gunrunner

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

Phil Frazier
posted 10-24-99 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil Frazier   Click Here to Email Phil Frazier     Edit Message
It just occured to me while reading this thread again the the mp3.con community is very similar to most communities in the "real' world.

In most communities, very few that participate in the political process. Most peole do not have a clue of what is going on in their own towns &/or counties & do not really care.

Most people just go along with whatever, unless it impacts them directly. They do not take time to research what is going on under their very noses. They smell nothing. It is not until dramatic things happen in their community that they even think about anything except their own lives.

Mp3.con will in a few months no longer be viable to creative, innovative Artists. The Site will have slipped into mediocrity & the artists that remain or new ones that join will not have a clue of the transition of the loss of credibility that will then exist with mp3.con. the mp3.con Revolution will have been virtually co-opted by corporate power & bananlity will prevail.

Like loobsters that are placed in cold water & the water is gradually heated, the artists will have been cooked & expired before they realize their doom.

TX80
posted 10-24-99 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TX80     Edit Message
LOL

The Count
posted 10-24-99 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message
I thought Paradise asked us to stick to Gunburner in this thread.

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

TX80
posted 10-24-99 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TX80     Edit Message
Puss

danielclaydowns
posted 10-25-99 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danielclaydowns     Edit Message
i like the name gunrunner too. guerilla rock rulez! hehe

nakedsingularity
posted 10-25-99 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nakedsingularity   Click Here to Email nakedsingularity     Edit Message
Couple if thoughts:

1. Paradise. People jump topics on virtually every thread I have ever been on. You are guilty of switching topics mid-thread. Go flex somewhere else.

2. Phil. Your first thread did seem a bit harsh. It would be better to point out how much outside work they did. That Gunburner built up a considerable fan base without mp3.com well before any label dared approach them. That having success online was merely a very small piece of the puzzle, as Aaron Egnor pointed out. Your post did seem a bit sourgraped.

That said. Congrats GunBurner. But poeple should not be fooled into thinking that this came as a result of having mp3s online. Rather from years of intense marketing, playing live, and then putting up some mp3s.

Space Snake Slayer
posted 10-25-99 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Snake Slayer     Edit Message
Yeah Right I hear an S.O.L.song coming on
now "THAT IS BULLSHIT"!
Maybe on Colombine Records!
S.S.S.

www.mp3.com/leeksol

4Real
posted 10-25-99 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4Real   Click Here to Email 4Real     Edit Message
Congrats to the band.....

Question:

What did MP3.com contribute to the band's signing?!?!?

It seems MP3.com is touting this as an MP3.com accomplishment....

- 4Real

PlatosForms
posted 10-25-99 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlatosForms   Click Here to Email PlatosForms     Edit Message
Well yeah,

They're responsible if something good happens to you. On the other hand, if something bad happens to you it's your own fault.

DEBRADARLENE
posted 10-25-99 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DEBRADARLENE   Click Here to Email DEBRADARLENE     Edit Message
I doubt if MP3 had much to do with the signing, (just my opinion) but it was interesting to see that Gunburner was far from the top of the MP3 charts...

Their Genre: Pop/Rock
Their Numbers: #460, #733, #892

That gives a lot of encouragement to all the artists that aren't burning up the MP3 charts!

Congratulations Gunburner!


KICK ASS!

Jrandom
posted 10-25-99 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jrandom   Click Here to Email Jrandom     Edit Message
"But poeple should not be fooled into thinking that this came as a result of having mp3s online. Rather from years of intense marketing, playing live, and then putting up some mp3s."

An excellent point. It would be interesting to hear from the band just how important they think mp3.com and the internet were in getting them signed. But this does seem to refute the RadioWiz/Bobby Farrell claim that they had convinced all the majors not to deal with anyone associated with mp3.com.

Walter Halley
posted 10-25-99 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Walter Halley   Click Here to Email Walter Halley     Edit Message
As if the VMG black-listing bull-jive needed refuting!

C'mon, kids - pay attention! The following excerpt is from the link in the first post on this thread, presumably the words of the band itself (or does someone have reliable information that these are NOT the words of GunBurner personnel?):

"As we explored ways to keep the buzz and fans growing, we didn’t even grasp the power and potential of MP3.com. We all said, “let’s see what happens.” After just one month we looked at the site stats and couldn’t believe what we saw. Hundreds of downloads and new CDs sold in markets we never played! That was all we needed to smack the sense into our entire camp. We turned up the mp3 effort full speed by utilizing all the tools and services that are offered for free on the site.

By July we were getting thousands of downloads and selling CDs all over the world! By this time we had already showcased for Columbia records, but they were sitting on the fence for quite some time. When we started to report the massive response that our patented sound of face-melting rock was receiving, the corporate brass started paying a lot more attention to what we really had going on. Plus, other major labels and industry players started knocking on our door via MP3.com.

All this played a huge part in Gunburner securing our first major label deal with Columbia Records. It truly was the missing link to our success, new fans, buzzzzz and, of course, CD sales."

nakedsingularity
posted 10-25-99 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nakedsingularity   Click Here to Email nakedsingularity     Edit Message
I dallas we have little signs next to the train tracks with quotes such as:

"Stay off the tracks" Emmit Smith
"Look both ways before crossing" Mike
Madanno

Now I'm not saying Gunburner didn't write the letter we have been presented. I'm sure they were there, at the very least, when their manager wrote it. Or maybe I'm just being overly cynicle.

But the charts show just how non-existant their involvement with mp3.com was. What mp3.com was for them was a place to tell people to go to to find their mp3. That's great. But their traffic came from their shows. Their sales from the shows. And ultimately, I'm quite sure, their contract came from the shows as well.

And I'm guessing that we'll be seeing a feature fairly soon.

It's funny. Had I been told that Gunburner had been an mp3.com artist and is now signed, it would have possibly inspired me a bit(toungue in cheek). But that letter was about the goofiest thing I've ever seen.

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Walter Halley
posted 10-25-99 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Walter Halley   Click Here to Email Walter Halley     Edit Message
Don't know if they (Gunburner) did or didn't write it; myself, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, although it obviously sounds like a promotional press release that could have been penned by mp3 personnel (in which case I would call it mega-hype, tantamount to fraud).

But until otherwise proven, I'll believe that the use of the words "our" and "we" are genuine, and wish those fellows the best of fortune.

Team Faithgroove
posted 10-25-99 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Team Faithgroove   Click Here to Email Team Faithgroove     Edit Message
Congrats to GUNBURNER ! !! ! !!

Can we ride on your coattails of success?

mp3.com/LACARPOOL
mp3.com/FAITH

tanya
Moderator
posted 10-25-99 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tanya     Edit Message
Daniel: I never write the posts in the Success Story section. They are submitted to me by the artists, and I post them. I do read through them, however, and try to catch typos, etc.

Gunburner had an indie deal at first, and now have a major label deal. When someone pointed out that they didn't mention which label signed them, I went into the post and added it. Just an oversight. No big whoop.

Poseur
posted 10-25-99 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poseur   Click Here to Email Poseur     Edit Message
Look, even if Gunburner are exaggerating the extent to which MP3.com helped them in getting their contract (and based on those stats, I'd say they HAVE to be exaggerating), it certainly doesn't hurt them to play the story up like that. They're the first act on MP3.Com to get signed to a major. That's a story, and every breaking band desperately needs a story: something that sets them apart and makes people remember who they are. This is a fine one, and I'm sure their publicity people will milk it.

It's also great for MP3.Com, even if Gunburner wasn't a band they had even noticed before now. It makes it look like there's "real" (i.e. signable) talent here, which will draw listeners, and it makes it look like being here can get you signed, which will draw bands.

It's a fine day for all parties involved, and whatever really happened with Gunburner & MP3.Com before now can be reshaped and prettied-up however those parties want.

PlatosForms
posted 10-25-99 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlatosForms   Click Here to Email PlatosForms     Edit Message
All the success stories sound like fabrications written by the same person. When Gunburner says "especially the cd sales" you know it's a load. One of you guys should make up a load of bull for a success story, send it and get free publicity.

 

esotericinterests
posted 10-25-99 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for esotericinterests   Click Here to Email esotericinterests     Edit Message
Well said, poseur.

idiotboy
posted 10-25-99 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for idiotboy   Click Here to Email idiotboy     Edit Message
Like nakedsigularity said, I think GunBurner used MP3.com the same way alot of us do...just as a tool to allow people to hear your music when you don't have the funds or the means of pressing and distributing thousands of CD's around the world. Like an omnipotent demo tape, online MP3's give anyone with even basic computer knowledge and access the ability to check out thousands and thousands of different bands. However, just having this service won't make you an overnight success. There is "real" work to be done in the "real" world. GunBurner could not have become this successful by simply uploading a few tunes and sitting on their asses! That is why I respect and thank GunBurner, for showing me that someday, my damn hard work will eventually pay off in one way or another.

Congratulations GunBurner! Come visit the COW-town sometime!

mp3.com/jerkwaterjive

-ldiot8oy

W hat
W ould
J erk
W ater
J ive
D o?

RadioWizard
posted 10-26-99 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RadioWizard     Edit Message
get the drift

halley is as idiotic as ever - vmg didnt blacklist anybody i did - and to date there is no contract with columbia or anywhere in sony music group news about this reputed signing

tanyacumtonya is covering her lying tracks - as usual

phil

quote:
Excuse me! When posting a reality check on this board is viewed as an attack, it is evident that some people are real insecure. The over the top defense is obvious.

is right on the money

all reality checks on this board are instantly attacked as scams etcetera and only those people who are real insecure are the attackers

but mp3.com does serve one purpose above and beyond all other internet operations

it permits the andrew hickeys and walter halleys to display their perpetual industry ignorance and paranoia in open forum - saving all legitimate companies the expense of weeding them from any and all consideration of investment

indie or major GUNBURNER - go for it and dont take any prisoners - should the product reach my desk well give it all the push the law allows

Walter Halley
posted 10-26-99 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Walter Halley   Click Here to Email Walter Halley     Edit Message
RadioWuz, you hypocritical, delusional, half-baked fool.

YOU, a self-styled radio consultant from a bygone era (including a storied past of some claim to have worked with the Kennedys when they were gun/rumrunners!!!), have the power to blacklist anyone? And now you're denying that VMG made claims that they, and ALL THE MAJORS, were putting mp3.com on their turkey lists? Didn't that recent solicitation press release from VMG explicitly mention they most emphatically WOULD NOT accept anything from any mp3.com artists?

You say VMG didn't blacklist? Well, now YOU are a DOCUMENTED LIAR. Luckily, I saved the e-mail that I got awhile back, apparently my address being on some list to an entity called counter@atlantic-satellite.com (interesting - another lead as to a connection between VMG and atlantic-satellite). One of the big items in the newsletter/release had the following headline:

GENERAL FARRELL BOYCOTTS MP3.COM

with the usual rants and raves, including:

"As stated may times before: General Farrell is a power to be reckoned with!

With ONE telephone call he approved the MP3.COM technical standards to be
sub-standard for broadcast, and for master reproduction. And that little
point has some real teeth in it!

NOTHING on mp3.com will be considered by any Major Company for either
artist or songwriter contracts. Period."

But all of this proves what everyone knew all along - you're either the General himself or just a mouthpiece that posts his diatribes verbatim.

And now for the REAL hypocritical part: with all the ranting you've done about mp3.com in the past, now that your blacklisting has proven to be the bullsh*t we all said it was from the start, you have the hide to wish Gunburner congratulations and pledge your support?

What gall!

Side note to the rational beings on this board: There seems to be some dispute here about Columbia, Gunburner, and an actual contract. What's the story? Is the news official (as per the item in the first post) or is it still speculation?

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The Count
posted 10-26-99 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Count   Click Here to Email The Count     Edit Message
Anonymous posts don't hold much water with me.

The Count
www.mp3.com/thecount

Phero.1
posted 10-26-99 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phero.1   Click Here to Email Phero.1     Edit Message

Seeing the 3 of them makes me feel like
Arnold in "the running man". Remember?

poor souls.

Phero

www.mp3.com/phero

danielclaydowns
posted 10-26-99 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for danielclaydowns     Edit Message
that article that the band allegedly wrote, was totally different than the original post.he changed it. it used to say they were signed to an indie label stainless steel records. it also sais some other stuff in it that made it pretty apparent that tanya wrote it.
if someone's band is signed then yeh mp3com is gonna try to hype it up and thats fine, and its ok to say that the band wrote it but they didnt. tey probably had their permission to write it.
but it definitely said it was signed to an indie named stainless steel, and not like it mentions it here.

i dont really care but that I really get annoyed when people lie to me!

I hope they do well, and if they are on an indie it might be for the best anyway!. it is better to be a big fish in a little pond sometimes. they probably will do better than on a major anyway, i would hope so.

tanya
Moderator
posted 10-26-99 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tanya     Edit Message
I'll repeat myself. I didn't write Gunburner's success post. I don't write any of them. I added Columbia Records in bold because they forgot to.

It wasn't different from the original post at all. They told their story from beginning to end. It was submitted to me by their management. Feel free to email them yourself and ask for verification.

Why is this an issue with you Daniel?

Walter Halley
posted 10-27-99 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Walter Halley   Click Here to Email Walter Halley     Edit Message
DCD, apparently it only bothers you when YOU THINK that someone from mp3 lied about something, so here you are being a specific pain with your repeat accusation of Tanya, and a general pain with your inane boinking of other vapid posts on this board, presumably just to keep said posts, along with your insipid moniker, on the front page.

Yet the lies and general unpleasantry of RadioWuzcumVMG get a pass from you (and surprisingly, many others around here).

You're a bigger loser than the Atlanta Braves, and baby, that's BIG.

danielclaydowns
posted 10-27-99 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for danielclaydowns     Edit Message
Tanya, it wasnt so much a major issue as I was confused because in the one page it said major label then i went to a post and it said major label then another one said indie. it hink i said that, so I looked it over and thought i would ask which it is. it is a normal question to ask I think, and i wasnt getting on your case or anything just asking what the deal was.
the way it was written did have a little of your writing style to it, and since it was posted under your name, I figured it was written by you. no big deal if it was or wasn't anyway. It wasn't a dig or a sarcasm, i never said you don't write good promo releases did i? no. i dont think so.

then since I was still in the bb later and there was no reply i had been looking through my files to see as a reference what it was that was said..did my eyes decieve me or did i read it wrong? no, i didnt. it said "indie" in the one then major in the other.. so then I wondered about it and saw that you editted your post of it. it says on the bottom of it it was editted, so i said oh hey it is different now... because the copy of it I had saved in Word as a .doc file is the original.

in fact quite a bit of that article was rearranged, for whatever reason. I dont are why, maybe you thought it needed some typos fixed or some grammar straightened out. The original said they just got signed onto this indie label stainless steel, i never heard of them but i didnt know if they are a major or not without looking it all up in a book.. i figured I would ask for the clarification. I asked you because it was written in your name, it was your post. Your name is next to it right? so i asked you. I dont know why ya have to get all weird about it.

halley, it originally said one thing and someone ("editted by tanya" it said) changed it. that was my point was it was changed, and what is the real story. but no
then i get this denial that it was changed at all bs. -I saved the original post dont tell me it didnt say something it didnt!


walter i bounced some threads up because some ppl asked for the info that is in them, so i just boinked them and said go read them then.
one of them was boinked because tanya said she would read it and get back to me with some feedback about it. not that its any of your business anyway.

chris patrick chamblee
posted 10-27-99 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chris patrick chamblee   Click Here to Email chris patrick chamblee     Edit Message
"I added Columbia in bold because they forgot to."

Let me get this straight...their manager, who submitted the article, forgot t' add that the band was sign'd by Columbia, a major record company, and the reward for all the hard work, long hours, and struggle'n they've endured.

O.K., I'll buy that...but please tell me, what was the article originally supposed t' be about if it wasn't about their deal with Columbia?

Walter Halley
posted 10-27-99 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Walter Halley   Click Here to Email Walter Halley     Edit Message
The release appears to be the band's celebratory item-cum-thank-you-note to MP3.COM. It could very well have been cut-and-pasted from a former release in which they were happy about their indie label deal, hence the mix-up about the words 'major' and 'Columbia'.

As long as the deal is real, and they are indeed going to open for the Goo Goo Dolls, it really doesn't matter if Gunburner or their manager wants to throw a bone MP3.COM's way. It can only help anyone else here that is looking for the same type of thing.

Like Poseur said, enjoy the moment.

If any of it is bogus, I'm sure we'll all find out soon enough.

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Aaron Egnor
posted 10-27-99 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aaron Egnor   Click Here to Email Aaron Egnor     Edit Message
Gunburner is playing the Neptune Lounge right up the road from me on 10/30. I'll be more than happy to go see them (as if I ever need an excuse to go see bands play) and I'll ask them what the deal is and report back here with the word from the band.


Aaron Egnor, Ace Reporter
Martyr Complex
www.mp3.com/martyrcomplex/

RadioWizard
posted 10-27-99 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RadioWizard     Edit Message
walter

apply for a job at mp3.com - they can always use another incompetent liar

the part you left out of vmgs free subscription is in bold below

in the exact context the article reads

quote:
As stated may times before: General Farrell is a power to be reckoned with!

With ONE telephone call he approved the MP3.COM technical standards to be sub-standard for broadcast, and for master reproduction. And that little point has some real teeth in it!

NOTHING on mp3.com will be considered by any Major Company for either artist or songwriter contracts. Period.

Then, several inside-the-industry Broadcast and Satellite Syndicators instantly spread the word throughout their respective business communities of the blatant damned lies of Jodi Summers and mp3.com, effectively blocking any usage of mp3.com anywhere in their clientele presentations.


the point was in succession reference to the big deal being made by mp3.com and the majors about their concerns of counterfeiting which general farrell proved to be just so much hype - and then jodi summers stuck her bucket of lying stupidity into vmgs arena and got it kicked over - and that initiated the turkey listing as stated

if general farrell turkey listed mp3.com he certainly had full justification to do so and he need not account to nor get prior permission from me to take such action so i was not aware of it

but youre too stupid to understand that too

as for the now growing lie factor about a major label signing an mp3.com act - tanyacumtonya is doing her best to cover her tracks

the fact is its only a matter of time before someone who has been beating the brush for a major deal - and who is using mp3.com as part of their campaign - will get themselves a contract of some kind

the problem is mp3.com will claim sole responsibility - just like they insinuate with the reputed signing of GUNBURNER - which will be just one more damned lie

and GUNBURNER should not be subject to such defamations by mp3.com even if they signed themselves to their own label

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